LXX versus MT Chronology and What did the Early Church Fathers
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April 28, 2025 at 3:31 am #5955
Raymond
ParticipantHi Tim and everyone,
I have been sharing on Twitter(X) our belief about Millenial Calendar and was given this response by William Struse.
My question is do we know which Chronology Irenaeus and Hippoclytus were using? My overall response back to him him was that just because they might have been using the your chronology does not invalidate the principle/truth that God is using a 6000 year calendar. Has any scholarly work been done about which church father believed or used what as there deafult dating system.
Reply from William Struse:-
Hi Raymond,
Thank you for the interesting post. Many of the early church fathers you mentioned held to a LXX interpretation of OT chronology. Based upon the LXX chronology, the end of the 6000 years and the start of the millennium were just around the corner. (4th century).When the return of Christ did not transpire in the early part of the 4th century (after the predictions of Irenaeus, Hippoclytus, etc, we saw the transition from Chiliasm to Amillennialsim.
The MT (Hebrew) text of the Scripture on the other hand did not have the additional roughly 1500 years added to the chronology. According to the MT text we are right at the start of the 7th millennium. In other words we are in a similar position as Irenaeus and Hippoclytus were nearly 1500 years ago.
Regards, William Struse
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May 5, 2025 at 3:42 pm #5957
Timothy
KeymasterThe early Church Fathers spoke Latin and Greek. A very small minority of the eastern Fathers spoke Aramaic and possibly had access to the Hebrew available at the time. Even most Jews spoke Greek and very few spoke Hebrew. The Septuagint was the Bible for both the early Christians and most of the Jewish population. The LXX was dominant even in the synagogues.
Consequently, most of the ECFs who dealt with chronology used the much longer ages in Genesis 5 & 11 in the LXX simply because that was what they had available to them. The Hebrew OT did not become available to most of Christianity until Jerome used it as the base for his Latin Vulgate translation around AD 405. But by that time “Chiliasm” had long since been replaced by Amillennialism. This was for 3 reasons:
1. The “educated” Alexandrian Church Fathers rejected Chiliasm’s literal interpretation of prophecy, preferring an allegorical method in order to maintain the “heavenly destiny” interpretation of many of the prophecies (eg. the restoration of Jerusalem in the prophets is an allegory of heaven, etc.). And this allegorical method was used because it allowed the prophecies to be bent in such a way as to agree with Plato’s philosophy of 7 heavenly spheres, and man’s alleged ascent to eventually reach God. It was a compromise with Gnosticism.
2. Some early writers who were devout “Chiliasts” attempted to reconstruct a chronology from the LXX in order to understand how far off Jesus’ return was. But because of the LXX’s much longer ages in Gen. 5 & 11, they thought that the 6-days (6 millennia) was nearly expired, just a couple of centuries or so away. (One calculated that the current year was about 5,500).
So when the 6,000 years had passed by all calculations based on the LXX, and Jesus had not returned, the Amillennial interpretation became more dominant especially as popular writers such as Origen had so thoroughly blended Christianity with Platonic philosophy.
3. Constantine’s alleged conversion in AD 312 and his subsequent making Christianity the semi-official religion of Rome, and elevating Christian bishops to high positions, blended the Platonic philosophy and its Amillennial eschatology with the political climate of the time. Since Constantine ended the persecution of Christians by Rome, he was seen as ushering in the “Kingdom” as Christ’s “vicar” (representative). This idea quickly morphed into the theology of Roman Catholicism, that the Roman Catholic Church is the Kingdom of God thanks largely to Augustine’s massive work “The City of God.”A form of Chiliasm actually survived within Amillennialism for a time after Constantine, (that the 6 millennia had expired, and that the current Roman Catholic “Kingdom” was the 7th millennium. Of course, that notion was impossible after 1000 years of Roman Catholicism had expired (somewhere around AD1300-1500).
Grace & Peace, Tim
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