Debating Grok AI on Jesus being Begotten at Start of Creation and Winning!

[Raymond]

The link below shows the conversation that I had with Grok which led Grok to finally say that our point about Jesus being begotten before the start of creation and the points I made about olam being translated and misunderstood in its meaning created contradictions. It then agreed that all the scriptures that seem to point to Jesus being eternal are incorrect due to a Greek mindset and trying to quantify sin. Grok said I made valid points about John 1:1 and Colossians 1:15 and logically fits the scriptures more simply and straightforwardly, not needing all the trinity long discussions. This then leads one realise how much the Father lost with his son no longer being a spirit but now a man who could die and not in the same relationship as they were before. Truly love personified in legal response to what Abraham allowed God to do by him sacrificing His son allowing the Father to sacrifice his Son for us all.

I started asking about the Nicene Creed as a post came up on that in my Facebook history section, which then led me to go on this long discussion with Grok which was in my view fruitful in many respects as it showed that Grok could “think” and see my logical points even though it did at times did caught up with certain information that it had been trained on.

I see this as a big win for us Apostolic Monotheists and literalness and shows that our stance has more wait of evidence in scripture and can be understood if you take the greek ego out of the equation.

I hope this will help some understand how they can reach someone who is a Trinitarian as Grok tried a number of times to show me nicely that there was another way of looking at things that seemed to line up with the trinity view.

I have kept most of the conversation in a text document on my PC and will go through it and see how I can learn to see the other point of view. Debating an AI is not easy but possible.

Blessings
Raymond

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk%3D_ef409159-9314-4632-b725-0f8216f4c54a

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