Jesus was not begotten in the Beginning of Creation

[Raymond]

Hi Tim and All,

I was contacted by someone who raised the question about my Christology. He was referring to some of the post written by Tim on my blog.

He covered some of the history of how Oasis church moved away from the Trinity doctrine.

He had a similar spiritual journey to me with having been attending Charismatic churches early.

He asked me the below question about which description of Godhead fits when reading Genesis 1:5.

Monotheism = Eternal God = Father Alone = Unitarianism 

Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God (Father alone) created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (Father alone) was hovering over the face of the waters 
Genesis 1:3 “Then God (Father alone)  said, “Let there be light”, and there was light. 
Genesis 1:4 “And God (Father alone) saw the light, that it was good; and God (Father alone) divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis 1:5 “God (Father alone) called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day 

Isaiah 44:24 “Thus says the LORD (YHVH), your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who makes all things , Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;

Monotheism = Eternal God = Father, Son & Holy Spirit (Co-eternal) = Trinitarianism 

Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit) created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) was hovering over the face of the waters
Genesis 1:3 “Then God (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit)  said, “Let there be light”, and there was light. 
Genesis 1:4 “And God (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit) saw the light, that it was good; and God (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit) divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis 1:5 “God (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day 

Monotheism = Eternal God = Father & Son (Co-eternal) = Binitarianism 

Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God (Father & Son) created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (Father & Son) was hovering over the face of the waters 
Genesis 1:3 “Then God (Father & Son)  said, “Let there be light”, and there was light. 
Genesis 1:4 “And God (Father & Son ) saw the light, that it was good; and God (Father & Son ) divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis 1:5 “God (Father & Son) called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day 

He also quoted a few scriptures from the NT like John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
I watched a few videos including one by Sean Finnegan on 5 Problems for Trinitarians.

I have read and studied and Messenger of YHWH, Son Of God and all the other teachings by Tim Warner in PDF format from the 4windsfellowships.net website.

I have come to the conclusion that Jesus was not begotten at the beginning of Creation. He was begotten when the breath of God came upon Mary.

I have upload screen grabs to my mediafire cloud drive of the teaching by Sean Finnegan and his 5 Major Problems https://youtu.be/-qxvmP-NzN4 with the Trinity and it shows in my opinion why Jesus is a special man that came into being when he was conceived and truly can be said to be the son of God.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/jjj4iubkhvqzx/Trinity

Does anyone want to comment on this?

I know that this is not what 4windsfellowships believe.

If I use the 8 point statements that guide 4windsfellowships then Jesus being begotten at the beginning of creation does not fit.

The early church leaders did not have an understanding of Jesus being begotten.
The “US” in Genesis 1:26 seems to mean that angels were involved in making man and not that it was Jesus. We cant prove that it was Jesus.

Blessings
Raymond

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