“Washing Our Robes in the Blood of the Lamb”
Revelation 7:13-17 (LGV) 13 Then one of the elders responded, saying to me: “Who are these dressed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14 And I said to him: “My master, you have observed.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who emerge out from the great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His Temple. And He who sits on the throne will tabernacle over them. 16 ‘They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;’ 17 (for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them) ‘and lead them to living fountains of waters.’ 1“And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
In the previous blog post, we compared the sad state of modern Christianity versus the “Bride” which the Bible indicates Christ is returning to receive, who is “without spot or wrinkle, holy and flawless.” This condition stems from Christians washing their robes and purifying them in the blood of the Lamb. This self-purging cannot come from self-effort in sinless perfection, but comes through the blood of the Lamb, God’s mercy and forgiveness. This concept of justification by faith and not by works according to Paul vs. justification by faith demonstrated by works according to James, has led Christians into opposite errors because of the failure to fully grasp the teaching of the New Testament regarding what “faith” really is. One group tends to emphasize works and human effort, thus largely nullifying God’s grace and introducing condemnation, while the other tends to abuse God’s grace and excuse and normalize sin.
All true Christians struggle with sin. Those who claim they do not sin are lying and thus sinning by making this false claim. Those who try to give the impression that they do not struggle daily with sin are pretending out of pride, which is also a sin; they have a very warped idea of God and His holiness and a much too high opinion of themselves. Those who justify and normalize sin are kidding themselves.2 The fact is that none of us has been “perfected” yet. Even James, the brother of Jesus and pastor of the Jerusalem church, wrote, “we all stumble in many things” (James 3:2). The “difficult path that leads to life” is difficult because it is a struggle. If it is not a struggle, we are not on the path that leads to life, but on the broad path that leads to destruction. The closer we get to the mind of Christ and thus keeping more of His commands consistently, the more our failures become evident to us and God’s righteousness seems out of reach. The Christian walk is not about perfect obedience in every detail through our own determination. It is about the gradual renewing of our minds so that we slowly begin to have the “mind of Christ,” that we begin to love what He loves and hate what He hates (even when things He hates are found within ourselves).
Rom. 12:1-2 (NKJV) 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
This “renewing” of our minds is something that occurs gradually by the power and voice of God’s Spirit working in us, not by our own power. It needs to be renewed each morning without fail as we offer our bodies as a “living sacrifice” for that day. The transformation of the mind must occur first, after which our actions will begin to follow. Paul encourages us what to do — offer our bodies as a living sacrifice calling to mind the “daily sacrifices” at the Temple. He then commands us what not to allow — “Do not be conformed to this world.” Unfortunately, conforming to this world is precisely what many Christians and churches have and are doing, and it will not end well for them.
The first step for Christians to begin to gain victory over sin is to guard what we allow to enter our minds through our senses. We can choose what we expose ourselves to and allow to penetrate into our minds and hearts. It is virtually impossible to obey Paul’s command not to be “conformed to this world” if we are saturating our minds with the things of this world, allowing these to drown out the still small voice of the Spirit of God which is trying to bring to our remembrance what Jesus taught (John 14:26). Those interested in washing their garments must begin each day with the determination to block out the world’s influence through media, entertainment, news, music (all of which is indoctrination, conforming us to the world’s thinking) and replace it with daily Bible reading, prayer, and fellowship with like-minded believers. This must become a habit if we have any hope of overcoming the world, the flesh, and the devil. We must return to the Christianity found in Scripture: “And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers” (Acts 2:42 NKJ).
Paul said that the Law of Moses was given to condemn all mankind, which is why God sent His Son to be the sacrifice for sin. Many Christians think that we are not under obligated to any Law now that the Law of Moses was abolished for believers. What they do not recognize is that the “Law of Christ” serves the same function for Christians as the Law of Moses served for Israel. It condemns us and shows us our failures as we struggle to keep it, keeping us humble. The difference is that the Law of Christ also comes with God’s grace and forgiveness as long as we continue on the difficult path that leads to life.
Christianity is not about being law-less and completely reliant on grace, as many churches teach. It is about a New Law tempered with grace – commandments with no condemnation. (No “condemnation” does not mean without “conviction of sin” by the Spirit but rather points to continual cleansing). Grace allows us to avoid the condemnation of the Law through Christ’s sacrifice, not to avoid the obligation to obey the commandments of Christ. Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”3 The obligation to keep the commandments is not diminished in the slightest by God’s grace. It is just that the motivation for keeping Christ’s commandments is different, out of gratitude for God’s grace and love for Christ and His sacrifice. It removes all satisfaction from self-effort, self-righteousness, and self-merit. Our “love” for Christ is gauged by our level of drive in pursuing perfection by keeping His commandments. Jesus said to His own disciples: “So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do'” (Luke 17:10 NKJ). The problem with modern Christianity is that many are not even interested in minimal obedience, never-mind anything above and beyond in seeking to be “profitable” servants. If we are going to be part of that “great multitude” that emerges from the Great Tribulation with spotless and unwrinkled robes, looking for the “minimum requirements” instead of maximally pleasing God isn’t going to do it. Those who are interested only in minimally following Christ are going to find themselves among the “foolish virgins” (Matt. 25:1-13).
In Romans 7 Paul described his own “struggle” and frustration with keeping God’s commandments and the self-condemnation which comes from his own failures. He then gave the solution in Romans 8, “walking in the Spirit” which brings “no condemnation.” Christ’s Law in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt. 5-7) will continue to point out failures along our Christian walk as we struggle to keep it daily. In Rom. 4, Paul pointed out that both Abraham and David were “justified” by their faith in God and not by their perfect obedience. Both men were imperfect and failures in their obedience, but both understood and acknowledged their failure and God’s righteous standard, and both continued to strive for holiness in faith while relying on God’s grace. It is the same for us. Consider David’s humble and contrite attitude about his many failures, which is why Paul held him up as an example of justification by faith (Psalm 25:7-14; Psalm 32:3-5; Psalm 51).
1 John 1:5-10 (LGV) “5 And this is the message which we have heard from Him and report to you, that God is light, and no darkness is in Him, none. 6 If we should say that we have fellowship with Him, and should be walking in darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth. 7 But if we should be walking in the light, as He is in the light, we are having fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus, the Anointed, His Son, is cleansing us from every sin. 8 If we should say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we should concede our sins, He is faithful and just so that He might forgive us the sins and might cleanse us from every injustice. 10 If we should say that we have not sinned, we are making Him a liar and His Logos is not among us.”
“Walking in the light” in this passage is not sinless perfection as many assume. “Light” throughout John’s writings is a metaphor for the TRUE and uncompromised KNOWLEDGE of God brought by His Son. “Walking in the light” means that we are constantly exposing ourselves to God’s standards, looking at ourselves in the mirror of God’s righteousness.
James 1:2-25 (NKJV) 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
This is the same thing which Paul described as “walking in the Spirit” in Romans 8. The Spirit’s job is “to convict the world of sin.” When we begin to see and acknowledge our sinfulness and unworthiness, and are repulsed by it and crave Jesus’ holiness, we are beginning to listen to the voice of the Spirit. When we begin attempting to act on this knowledge (in spite of our many stumbles), we “walk in the Spirit” which is the same as what John calls “walking in the light.” The frustration that comes from our struggle against sin is itself evidence that we are beginning to walk in the Spirit; our eyes are WIDE OPEN to God’s attitude towards our sin and our unworthiness. Those who say they have “fellowship with Him but walk in darkness” claim to be Christians in fellowship with God, but instead of acknowledging and grieving over their failures as they continue to be convicted by the Spirit, they close their eyes to the Truth (thus walk in darkness). The evidence is in their excusing, justifying, and normalizing their disobedience, thus quenching the voice of the Spirit. These are the ones who John says are “lying” when they claim fellowship with Christ. This is why in the previous blog-post I pointed out examples of modern Christianity justifying and normalizing sin, such as Christian worship-leaders flaunting their tattoos and piercings instead of being ashamed of them.
Modern Christianity tends to justify and explain away willful rebellion against the “light” God’s Word brings and the Spirit which makes specific application in our lives. These are manifest in Christian leaders boldly and proudly disobeying governing authorities when God commands us to obey, even leading their congregations to openly rebel. The same is true about churches that ordain women and homosexuals as pastors in open rebellion against God’s clear commands and the authority structures and guardrails He has established. The head-covering issue may seem like a small thing, but it is indicative of a much deeper heart-problem with God’s established order and willing submission to it.
When we acknowledge our failures and unworthiness, when they cause us grief as we struggle against sin, this shows that we are “walking in the light.” We are judging ourselves which then emphasizes the absolute necessity of “blood of Jesus Christ His Son is cleansing us from all sin” (compare Luke 18:10-14). In vs. 9 above, John wrote: “If we should concede our sins, He is faithful and just so that He might forgive us the sins and might cleanse us from every injustice.” This is the point – acknowledging and hating our sin, maintaining humility, constantly judging ourselves against God’s righteous standards, as James says, looking into the mirror of God’s Law and not being a forgetful hearer, but a doer. Christians who acknowledge the struggle against sin and their own failure to perfectly keep God’s commandments, who are not “forgetful hearers” and are trying to progress towards perfection with the help of the Spirit, THESE are the ones who are “walking in the light” and are continually being cleansed by the blood of Christ from all sins. They are far from perfect. But they are striving to know and understand God and what He desires from us and for us, and as they learn more and more from His Word they try to conform to God’s standards more. It is a life-long process of becoming perfected. On the other hand, those who deny that their disobedience is “sin,” but even find ways to justify and normalize it, these are walking in darkness and are not promised ongoing cleansing from their sins. They are walking in darkness because they are too PROUD to come into the Light and acknowledge their failures. “God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
Apostasy is not the result of failing to keep all of God’s commandments perfectly. Apostasy is the eventual outcome of consistently lowering God’s standards to justify our sin, which in turn transforms God’s LIGHT into darkness within us. This is exactly what Romans 1:16-32 describes. It is willful rejection of God’s standards in order to shape God in our image rather than renewing our minds and hearts in His image through the light Christ has brought. This brings us back to the daily application of Romans 12:1-2 if we ever hope to succeed in being part of that great multitude which comes out of the Great Tribulation victorious, a bride who has prepared herself, holy, without spot or wrinkle.
Go To: Today is the most Solemn Day of the Year
1 Isa. 49:10 LXX
2 Rom. 2:13; James 1:22
3 John 14:15; John 15:10
8 thoughts on ““Washing Our Robes in the Blood of the Lamb””
Tim
I was told that a person’s Faith will show through their works or actions. If that is true, then we should continually strive to conform to the standards GOD and Christ have given to us despite ones acknowledge failures and to do this means transforming our minds leading us towards becoming more Christ like in thoughts and actions?? I reckon I get overwhelmed when pastors/preachers start hammering the words perfect and perfection. Is there a translation or biblical meaning for perfect or perfection in relation to what we are discussing? Also, I thought apostasy is a falling away from the Faith or unbelief as in Hebrews 6:4-8NIV?
Nicole
Nicole,
You are correct that “faith” is demonstrated by actions, and without corresponding action it is not biblical faith. Hebrews 11 makes this very clear by listing great people of faith from the OT who will inherit eternal life. In every case, it says “by faith” someone did something (acted in faith). So faith is acting upon something God has promised, even when it comes at great cost and personal sacrifice as the examples in Heb. 11 show. The very first “act of faith” for us is our water baptism, being immersed into Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. After that, we have the promise of the inheritance to all those who OBEY Christ (Heb. 5:9). Therefore, we should be seeking to know more so we can obey more, to become “perfected” in our faith (lit. “mature”).
Again, God does not demand sinless perfection. But He requires progress on the difficult path, continually striving to obey while recognizing and hating our failures, and continuing to LEARN more and more about His WILL for all of us, what PLEASES Him by the study of His Word (2 Cor. 5:9; Eph. 5:8-10; 1 Thess. 4:1-7; Heb. 13:21). This is “walking in the light.” Yet, we still realize that as long as we continue this journey towards perfection (while looking in the mirror of Christ’s Law), His blood continues to cleanse us from all sin.
“Apostasy” literally means to “stand away,” and is used in 2 Thess. 2:3, but is alluded to in many other passages including Jesus’ parable of the True Vine (Jn. 15). However, it does not come suddenly but is the end result of a progressive hardening of the heart, a progressive excusing and normalizing sin as indicated in Heb. 3:12-4. It is the same kind of hardening of non-believers who reject God and eventually He gives them up as described in Rom. 1:16-32).
The examples I gave of modern Christianity excusing and normalizing disobedience to God illustrate that this hardening leading to apostasy is well underway in those who lead and teach God’s people to normalize disobedience. Unfortunately, because of both bad doctrine and excusing disobedience by leaders the average church-goer is ignorant that he/she believes things that are false and is being disobedient to God’s commands. The real fault is in the leaders. But in the end, normalizing disobedience and bad doctrine will lead many Christians to eventually abandon Christianity, especially when serious persecution comes (seed sown on rocky ground). Many are already abandoning the Faith because of pursuit of material things and worldly pleasures (seed sown among thorns). And many churches serve to reinforce both disobedience and worldly pursuits. This is all going to come to a head soon.
Tim
“faith is acting upon something God has promised,..” is speaking volumes. It is something I needed to hear or hear again. Food for my soul. Thank GOD & Thank you.
Nicole
You’re welcome. 🙂 One more point worth mentioning. “Faith” in the Bible is never “believing” that God will do something that He has not promised to do. For example, someone might say “I have faith that I will get this job.” That is a hope or wish, or maybe confidence. But it is not confidence in God unless He has promised that very thing to that person. This is where many Christians (and non-Christians) run amuck. “Faith” is not wishful thinking, believing in fantasies or things that are not real. That is how the world likes to portray Christians because they do not believe God is real of His Word is true. Faith is acting KNOWING that God has promised something in return, even when that thing seems out of reach, and especially when acting on that promise is not easy, it will cost you something or will bring resistance from others. This is why Jesus said that anyone who wants to follow behind Him must “take up your cross and follow Me.” Look at everyone in Heb. 11 and you will see that genuine “faith” is costly in this life but has great reward in the life to come.
Hi Tim,
I used to believe what you wrote in your post- Paul was Christian while struggling with sin. I know this sounds mean but if that’s the gospel I don’t want to have anything to do with it or Jesus. I never thought about this gospel that I heard all my life whether it was true until later I began to question the validity of the gospel I believed. My intent is not to find something wrong with what you said or what past preachers taught so that I can feel secure somehow being “right”. I just wanted to revisit some things in scripture to test whether what I was told in church all my life and by you stood up to the scrutiny of the truth in the bible. I did not become disillusioned about the possibility of being wrong concerning what I heard growing up but I wanted to know the truth. And I realized and realize time is running out. Jesus does not expect me to have all the answers or know all the right things or the Greek before I can become a follower of Him. But it is clear that no one can become His follower unless they have heard the gospel Jesus and the Apostles taught. In my opinion the last time that gospel was taught was in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th century before darkness descended upon the Roman Empire. For this reason in my opinion the two prophets must preach it again shortly as Jesus and John the Baptist did- the new covenant.
Anyway, I have asked myself for several years how can I be a Christian and struggle with sin? Why would I want to be delivered from sin only to struggle with it the rest of my life? Is there freedom from sin in that? I thought I was a Christian because I knew I would have this constant battle with sin. In fact I believed it all the more when I was told this was proof I was a Christian since unbelievers don’t struggle with sin until they begin to follow Christ. Can this really be the gospel? Is this really victory in Jesus? Why would I want to replace bondage to sin in Christ when I might as well be in bondage to sin without Christ as I thought later when I realized thinking this way had made me feel like I had been indeed a Christian. Why was I struggling with sin although I was supposed to sin less frequently over time after repenting for the rest of my life – not that my attitude was… as long as I sin God will just forgive me anyway- I took sin seriously. Whenever I sinned I thought I was not “saved”. Did I believe that I could earn my justification by my works? Most likely. Nevertheless I knew something was not quite right with this “gospel” of which Paul’s experience was a part.
I just can’t anymore reconcile what I believed before concerning Paul in Romans 7 who, while struggling with sin, was actually a follower of Jesus Christ with what I believe now that no true Christian can be one and yet struggle with sin. Does my new belief in this regard mean if we seek to earn justification by our works now we will not struggle? No. Rather, according to Paul in Romans 7 it’s the opposite. He is saying that before he followed Christ he was part of a collective seeking to be justified by the works of the law living in the flesh (7:5) In fact he was alive before God have the law (implying the law was given at Mt. Sinai)(7:9) and ” when the commandment came(implied again at Mt. Sinai), sin revived, and I died (7:9). Dead means he was not following God. Why did he die? Because he started seeking to be justified by the works of the law as part of that collective who was in a covenant with the Messenger of the LORD. Obviously, not all the people were trying to be justified by the works of the law. They were righteous in God’s sight – even David, though when he was sinning against the LORD he was not following Him. Paul uses this same style of writing in Romans 3 where in verse 3 he refers to them in the 3rd person plural, in verse 5 the 2nd person plural, then in verse 7 his own self in the 1st person singular, each version saying the similar thing speaking in a the sense as having been joined to a group in a covenant with God. Verse 7 cannot possibly mean that Paul is a follower during which time the truth of God abounds through his lie while God judges him as sinner.
So, in summary the Jews were struggling with sin because they were seeking to be justified by the works of the law. Christ delivered some of them from the law so that they could cease trying to be justified by the works of the law and love Him and keep His commandments instead.I realize I don’t have to figure it out before I forsake all to become His disciple, not will knowing it save me. But I must know Him who is truth, but I’m afraid to forsake all to follow Him because you have to count the cost and I’m afraid of the cost of moving from darkness to light.
Jim
James,
Your comments really raise 2 different questions. The first concerns whether true Christians do indeed “struggle” against sin, and the second concerns Paul’s meaning in Romans 7.
When I speak of the “struggle against sin” I am NOT referring to a “Christian” who knowingly practices a particular sin and never seems to overcome that particular sin. I am speaking of progress, as we gain victory over certain sins, God then enlightens us regarding other things which we need to forsake, so that we gradually become conformed to the mind of Christ, to hate what He hates and love what He loves. In Hebrews 12, Paul spoke specifically of the Christian “struggle against sin” as he was encouraging believers to follow the example of the people of faith in ch. 11.
Heb. 12:3-6 (NASB) 3 For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you may not grow weary and lose heart. 4 You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin; 5 and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, Nor faint when you are reproved by Him; 6 For those whom the Lord loves He disciplines, And He scourges every son whom He receives. 7 It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
Paul states that God’s discipline is intended to aid us in this battle of “striving against sin,” and that if there is no discipline, then we are not really “sons” at all, but illegitimate. Therefore, if God disciplines all of His sons, then all need discipline as we are “striving against sin.”
In 1 John 1, the Apostle states plainly that those who claim to no longer sin are liars. But those who confess their failure receive forgiveness through the blood of Christ. James wrote that “we all stumble in many ways” (James 3:2) including himself. So, unless you have surpassed James the Just in your Christian life, you also still “stumble in many ways.”
I understand the danger in saying that Christians still continue to struggle against sin, as this can leave the impression that no progress in overcoming is necessary. On the other hand, taking the position that a true Christian does not struggle against sin anymore leads to self-condemnation and defeat, because every true Christians who has the Spirit of God intuitively knows that they have not yet reached perfection. That attitude leads Christians to constantly doubt their salvation.
Now, regarding Rom. 7, it is a mistake to interpret this chapter as referring exclusively to the “Law” of Moses, and that we are not under any “Law” but under “Grace.” The Old Covenant had a means of “grace,” and the New Covenant has “Law” also — the Law of Christ, which is binding on us just as the Law of Moses was upon Israel. The principle Paul spoke of was how all “Law” condemns, and this is true of the Law of Christ as the Law of Moses. Question: Can you honestly say that you continually keep all of Jesus’ commandments in His Sermon on the Mount perfectly (Matt. 5-7)? No, you cannot honestly say that. Does this then mean you are not a Christian based on what you wrote above?
In Rom. 7, beginning in vs. 14, Paul spoke in the present tense of how “Law” condemns him as he personally struggles to keep it. If he was referring exclusively to his past life while under the Law of Moses he would have used aorist indicative or imperfect indicative verbs. But he used present indicative verbs because he was describing a principle that was currently present in his own mind with his own struggle with “Law” as a principle. The key is in Rom. 8:1, where “there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.” So while the “struggle” with Law remains, the “condemnation” is removed for those who walk in the Spirit, same as “walking in the light” in 1 John 1.
Bottom line is that there is great danger in excusing sin by claiming it is the constant Christian struggle, never to overcome. This attitude can cause one to continue to indulge in sin thinking it is without consequence. Yet there is equal danger in claiming that a “true Christian” has no more struggle against sin. This claim can also cause one to throw in the towel thinking that there is no hope for him, that he cannot be a Christian because of the struggle.
You wrote: “if that’s the gospel I don’t want to have anything to do with it or Jesus.” I think you are making a very serious mistake. IMO, God sets the goal (holiness) before us because it motivates us to strive for it, while at the same time understanding our weakness and providing “grace” when we need it most. It is the same as a parent raising a child. Both “Law” and “Grace” are essential in order to gradually bring the child to maturity. But a parent does not expect a child to act like an adult. But he does expect an adult child to become mature. PROGRESS and GROWTH is what our Father expects from us. What do you think Jesus’ parable in John 15 about the “True Vine” indicates? It is the cultivation of a branch by constant pruning in order to bear more and more fruit.
Tim & James
It is a little overwhelming and confusing. Someone reads John 3:16 and thinks all they have to do is continually believe but then you read about following laws and commandments and you think well thats not going to work now what do I do??. So my struggle with sin comes from 1. Not folowing the laws/commandments 2. My very sinful thoughts, desires, feelings. For me the thought /feeling is just as bad as the action so then I struggle with are my sinful thoughts/feelings a reflection of my true self, my true heart??
There has been seemingly rock bottom times in my life when Ive said okay thats it Im done Im going to stop asking GOD because clearly He is not answering or helping so whats the use. I even threw away all my bible study notes, my faith, my belief, and a bible or two. Then what happened. I got DRAWN BACK IN. Whew! I dont know about anyone else but me and GOD are on a roller coaster (imho)
So, I end up with Hope. Hope that GOD will see some amount of faith and worthiness in me so I may enter in to Christ’s Kingdom. At the end of the the roller coaster thats about all I got to go on. Plus 1) some really BAD stuff is about to go down (tribulation, Revelations, etc) and I want no parts of and 2) I have some family and friends who have past away that I really want to, not just see again but also to embrace again.
James you stated “I must know Him who is truth” which means (imo) you are still seeking, so there is Hope. There are some really great articles/teachings on 4winds to renew your strenght, belief, and faith. I also suggest you take hold of some of the promises of GOD and with all the hope and faith you can..HOLD ON TIGHT.
Nicole
Tim, you asked: “Can you honestly say that you continually keep all of Jesus’ commandments in His Sermon on the Mount perfectly (Matt. 5-7)? No, you cannot honestly say that. Does this then mean you are not a Christian based on what you wrote above?” I have never kept Christ’s commandments – even though I thought I was a disciple. It’s just still hard to see one struggling if their righteousness is exceeding that of the scribes and Pharisees.
In regard to Paul speaking in the present tense in Romans 7:14 when he says he is
carnal, sold under sin that sounds like he is still in bondage to sin which would place him as part of a group who was in the flesh in Romans 7:5.
Tim and Nicole,
I appreciate your responses. I will read over again what you said, think about it, and compare it to Scripture.
James